I've read that binaural beats can isolate and specify certain brainwave patters (beta, alpha, theta, delta)
do you think that it is better to work your way down from beta(normal consciousness 14-100hz) or up from delta(dreamless sleep0-4hz) to create a hemisphere synchronization or unifying effect on the neural transmitters, specifically the ones that produce vasopressin(sp) and oxytocin(naturally, of course).
I've been using a method that starts from delta and many times have trouble "letting go" and slipping into a noticibly different state
anyone here know about this stuff?
do you think that it is better to work your way down from beta(normal consciousness 14-100hz) or up from delta(dreamless sleep0-4hz) to create a hemisphere synchronization or unifying effect on the neural transmitters, specifically the ones that produce vasopressin(sp) and oxytocin(naturally, of course).
I've been using a method that starts from delta and many times have trouble "letting go" and slipping into a noticibly different state
anyone here know about this stuff?
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Re: Binaural Beats
Tue, March 16, 2004 - 1:27 AMI've used technology from the Monroe Institute (www.monroeinstitute.org). Their technology, trademarked Hemi-Sync, uses binaural beats to produce various brain states. It's quite effective, and I don't know exactly what ranges they use...up to down...or down to up.... The most common methods used in trance induction are either a downward from beta to alpha to theta to delta pattern, or a "fractionated" pattern. In fractionation, the pattern goes something like this:
33 down to 14 back up to 20 down to 10 back up to 14 down to 8 back up to 10 down to 6 back up to 8 down to 4 back up to 6 down to 2 back up to 4 down to 1...staying at 1
This would be to get to a target of 1, of course.
Different patterns work better on different people, but I find fractionated patterns work better for larger numbers of people.
I highly recommend Monroe's technology if you're interested in experimenting further.
Also, Lori (also in this tribe) works for a company that uses binaural beats in their work. www.centerpointe.com/index.php Maybe she'll add something more to this thread about binaural beats....
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Mon, July 5, 2004 - 7:00 PM
I have been researching Binaural beats now for over 2 years and have come to a few basic conclusions about the technology. To answer your question specifically, going down from Beta most likely will be a different journey conscious-wise than going up from Delta. The signals affect different people differently, and the same signal will effect the same person differently depending on what you are doing at the time...say laying down and meditating versus walking around. Brainwaves are like fingerprints, they are unique to each person, and also they are like vitamines...in that you can have a lot of one frequency and less of another and vise-versa.
People often ask me if the CDs I make are good for meditation...I say that it is and isnt. For instance meditation for one person could be an Alpha state and for another a Theta state. So in a sense it is a matter of personal perspective and the actual "definition" of what that word means specifically to you as an individual.
There is some info on my website about neurotransmitter Strong Nuclear Meleculo-Mechanitronics...you may find that pertains to your question concerning neurotransmitters.....
www.consciousnessconnector.com
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Wed, July 14, 2004 - 6:18 PM
So far sales have been slowly gradually increasing....It is a matter of advertising and of gaining trust of people. Also I am taking a somewhat different approach than other companies, in a research sense and in a audio engineering perspective.
Some of the claims that are being made about binaural technology are not true and there are some key features about the technology that are not being explained properly so that people can understand what it truely is...I am trying to fill those gaps with a more objective and scientific approach without negating the meta-physical aspects of it....so there is some resistance there due to misinformation. But no matter, in the long run my research will pay off and stand the test of time, versus the test of Fads... -
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Thu, July 15, 2004 - 1:17 PMWhat would you say the biggest myths or misunderstandings about binaural beats are these days? I've noticed the market for binaural beat technology seems to have exploded in recent years, gets a little difficult to swim through.
I've only really had exposure to the work of Robert Monroe, and experimentation of my own. What I haven't been able to discern or find information about is the effects of the "carrier tones". For example, you could create a 5Hz binaural beat using stereo panned 300 and 305 hertz tones, or you could create a 5Hz binaural beat using 220 and 215 hertz tones. And you can hear the difference. So, do the different tones just effect the sound and are perhaps a personal preference, as in some people would rather hear lower tones than higher pitched tones, or do these tones themselves have effect?
I've run across lists of supposed brainwave frequencies, and many list various effects for different tones like 100, 220, 305, etc etc. With tones that high it doesn't seem that they would be talking about binaural beats of that tone, the effective binaurals all seem to be under roughly 30Hz. I'm not sure you can really even create binaurals that high, I've messed with it and it really just seems to sound like two very different tones, I don't get the sweeping inside my head. So, if they are listing higher brainwave frequencies could those be effective on their own, as plain tones, or as carriers for binaurals, or are they something else entierly, I'm not sure.
Also curious about combing binaurals. Can you produce and entrain to more than one at once? Or will you lose effectiveness, and/or will the various tones interact with each other? I imagine doing like a 220/210 and a 200/205 you're probably going to interfere as they'll be setting up various binaurals possibly. But doing 110/100 and a 305/298 or something at the same time, the carriers are far enough apart to where you don't seem to get interfering binaurals, but I don' t really know. -
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Thu, July 15, 2004 - 6:39 PM
I would say that the biggest Myths about Binaural Beats(BBs) are that the "specific frequencies" do specific things. For instance that list on the net with all of those frequencies is mostly propaganda.
From what I have gleaned about BBs and neuro-science is that all people's brainwave patterns are unique like finger-prints and that different BB frequencies will do different things for different people. There are basic classes of brainwaves that are good for determining differend predictable states of consciousness. Generally speaking, Delta, Theta, Alpha, Beta. What people need to understand is that these are basic "ranges" that generally apply to the population at large....the more specific the frequency the more varied the result from person to person....for instance BB 3.258Hz will do different things for different people, but the overall responce will fall within the "Theta" range of behavior which is charactorized by frequencies ranging from about 3Hz to 7.5Hz...Delta is a sleep state, Beta is a waking state, "generally speaking"
I have found that the same frequency will even effect the same person differently depending on what they are doing at the time. For instance Delta waves are associated with sleep, but I did a lot of experimenting with Delta BBs while wide awake and it is a unique type of response...
So far as the "real" medical applications of BBs, a specific set of frequencies would be "prescribed" like a medication...it is very unique to the individual. Brainwaves can be thought of in a like manner as "vitamines" depending on your diet(emotional/intellectual intake, etc.) you will have varying ammounts of minerals in your body. Some people may have a deficiency in one vitamine and an overabundance of another or vise versa. Also our brainwave are constantly changeing all the time....just reading this is doing that very thing.
Another myth is the little diagram on the back of the Hemi-Sync CDs that shows the brain map with and without Hemi-Sync. That is not a true statement. For one, EEG and QEEG only measure electrical activity to a depth of about 1/8 of an inch into the brain. EEG does not directly show activity on the interrior or core of the brain. The place where BBs are processed is in the Superior Olivary Nucleus. If you follow your ear canals straight into the core, that is where it all starts the BB phenomenon. There is no way that EEG measures electrical activity in that area. Secondly, the brain is "modular". That is to say that different parts of the brain process different awareness and functions of the collective consciousness called "you". One would think that I am just "me", but in reality(at least the physical side of quantum mechanics) my "awareness" is composed of lots of different "modules" each of which has a little mind of its own, all competing for my "attention". It is as if my personality is a musical composition with multiple musicians each contributing, and not just one "thing" making all the noise. These modules have been scientifically observed with MRI imaging. For instance we have a "visual" module, and "auditory" module, a "memory" module, and "emotional" module, a "linguistic" module, a "logic" module and so on....of courswe these are crude examples, but the actual documented science behinde this is very real. In essence the "competing drives" we experience as humans are really competeing "modules". this has been observed with MRI.
I really wish that there were more studies being done on BBs with MRI, I am sure it would be very interesting...but to the original point...the BBs will effect different modules differently in different people. It won't neccesarily light up your brain like on the Hemi-Sync propaganda.
Light sound machines are really just "light machines"...Also light stimulation will induce different states of consciousness than BBs of the same frequency. The eyes and ears use totally different parts of the brain when stimulated. Actually, from what some of my sources have indicated, light stimulation will show up on EEG more than BBs...this makes sence though because the area in the brain where eyesight is processed is near the surface, whereas audio is processed in the core. Audio entrainment is definately different than Visual entrainment even is the frequency is the same, and generally speaking visual entrainment will wash out the effects of audio entrainment.
For example....BBs that induce Theta states cause a form of consciousness called Hypnogogia. This is the state usually occuring right before loseing consciousness and entering sleep. This is when detailed images come out of the blackness...I think that these images coming out of the blackness are very highly organized neuropathways to and from the centers linked to imagination....if the eyes are stimulated with light, the neural circuit for information changes over to a rapid intense chain of pulses going from the optic nerve to the visual centers...the visual centers are not the same in function or location as the "modules" used for "creative imaging".
An easy test for this is: Would you have a hard time concentrating on something that required analysis and deep thinking if a strobe light was in your face? Try reading a texbook on calculus while doing that....the loss of attention is due to different competeing neural modules and circuits....
Another way to think of BBs is like a psychedelic...you know it will get you high, you know it will change your brainwaves and make you think of things that you would normally not think of, but there is simply no way to "predict" what that would exactly be.
So far as the effects of the actual "carrier tones", that is an open book for research. I do think that it definately does have an effect. From a music theory perspective, it has been widely known for hundreds of years that "dissonance" can have negative effects on people. That is why people go to a concert to hear a person who "knows how" to play a guitar, versus to go to a concert where the person has no idea how to play an instrument. In this sense it is like music....people have different taste, but if the material is good...it is simply good.
Yes you can layer multiple BBs one on top of the other, but it is tricky and very mathematical in how this is done to avoid any harmonics in how the carrier tones mix...My reality adaptor has some really good layered tracks some of which have 5 to 6 layered BBs...
So far as the really high BBs, like the stuff over 30Hz, that is experimental....I think it is possible for the brain to process BBs up to 100Hz and do have some limited evidence on this....actually muscle movements are in the Gamma brainwave range(ie. 30Hz-500Hz)....so far as the high Gama, there are some resarchers who have looked into this range with Trans Cranial Magnetic Stimulation, and also there is a strange technology where you can hold a wire in each hand and they can run a signal through the wire to induce brainwaves...
However I do not recommend Trans-Cranial Magnetic Stimulation because there are links between strong magnetic fields and cancer. There could be some risks of tissue damage from strong localized magnetic fields....they simply do not know all the facts on this type of thing yet...
I hope you find this info helpful...
Doug.
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Fri, July 16, 2004 - 1:15 PMAwesome Doug, great info! Thanks so much.
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Mon, March 17, 2008 - 1:42 PMWow... thankyou for that... that was alot of really good information
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Mon, July 12, 2004 - 3:00 PMI have a light and sound machine I bought way back in 90 something, maybe earlier, and the device uses binaural beats as well as other stimulation methods (pink noise, white noise, etc.) to achieve the brain entrainment you're talking about. Through my experience most often if I start at the low end and work my way up I'll find I'm irritated by the process and itch to end it (until the frequency reaches something I can latch my consciousness to). This has proven to be an observable reaction in nearly everyone I've allowed to try it.
I prefer starting at alpha and slowly ramping up or down (much like the modulation mentioned here already) to pull the brain in the direction you want it to go in.
My intention for the employment of this device is to generate more complex associations (map more pathways) with the idea that doing so will allow me to have more of the "aha" phenomena. What I've noticed however is that I have more weird associations that cause anyone around me to go, "HUH?" A secondary intention is to stimulate the production of HGH for when I'm feeling under the weather or when I need to heal (like a major burn I had a while back). The doctors were surprised at the level of restoration I had AND how quickly it happened. Either it worked or I just heal faster than your standard human as a rule.
I've been trying to figure out how to employ binaural beats directly into my music but they're not very musical in general. Meaning that they don't sound all that pretty when you're trying to achieve some degree of familiarity.
Let us know how it goes Nick.
TripSeven
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Mon, July 12, 2004 - 4:31 PMHey Trip,
For stimulating HGH, I recommend the Life Essence series available on this site: www.harmonyera.com/4.2.mini.htm
This set of CDs uses sound healing techniques to stimulate production of HGH, among other beneficial and life-extending compounds.
Evan
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Sat, July 17, 2004 - 4:49 PMJust dont get confused. people used to think when the first eegs were developed that your brain was only at one frequency at a time, (it would go from alpha to beta, etc..) but since then we have found out that we all have all of the frequencies happening all the time in in different patterns and the original eegs were only testing which one predominates.
if you use something simple on your computer like cool edit to generate them you can only get one frequency at a time. you will still feel the effects but if you want to get fancy you will need to either get more advanced software ot to buy audio cds that pattern the whole range like Dr. monroe or DR. jeffery thompson cds
*squeek*
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Sun, March 2, 2008 - 3:27 PMIt's best to start at a normal fequency and step down into deep delta. This is the natural pattern we use to fall to sleep...
I am apart of a project called Psyche Sonics. We have been using binaural beats and isocronics for research in human potential and such. Binaural beats is a technique of brain entrainment that allows you to enter deep trance states, help stress, sleep patterns, and more. Here are a few 'sets' to download...
www.4shared.com/file/36148...o_Mage.html
www.4shared.com/file/36481...amming.html
listen to them in a quite setting with headphones.
We have been studying human potential, mind and spirit for a few years. There is a philanthropy website called Ideablob that pays a 10,000 grant for the idea with the most support. We are using this resource to put funding towards research on altered states of consciousness with sound, psionics, deprivation tanks, and other cutting edge technology.
I was hoping you could help us get the word out about this exciting opportunity to push research in these Fields in an open source setting of gifting the knowledge back to the community.
The web site is
ideablob.com/ideas/1707-Psyche-Sonics
Thank you so much for your time.
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Re: Binaural Beats
Sat, March 8, 2008 - 9:53 AMmy experience has led me to believe that 12 hz works as a gateway to brainwave entrainment
this may be specific for me
but as I understand it is also accepted as the freq that defines rhythm
ie sounds lower are perceived as beats, and higher as solid tone
Ive used patterns shifting from beta state like 15-20hzish
down to 12, settling for a moment
then moving lower or higher depending on the desired effect,
with considerable, though not quantifiable results
as I dont have any way of measuring my own BW activity
anyone elses experiences similar???
also stumbled across this site which claims to have developed a brainwave entrainment tool that doesnt require a stereo environment
though I havent worked with it at all
its definitely intriguing
www.transparentcorp.com/
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Sat, March 22, 2008 - 4:23 PMSound is awsome... sound only exists because things are moving.. and that we percieve them... now imagine what the sun sounds like...
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Sat, April 5, 2008 - 3:56 PMthis is such an exciting topic! what do you think of the difference between digital electronic, analog electronic, and acoustic (singing bowls and tuning forks) bb therapies? I work with accoustic tuning forks with fundamental at C 256 (based on shuman resonance of the earth) and there are 4 other forks to create bbs for delta, theta, alpha, beta. i like to start with alpha because ususally people are relaxed to an extent when starting this session. beta seems to be a super alert going going going brainwave to me. so to pace with current state, i'll sense where i or the client is at, usually alpha, and then go down. then come back up to finish.
do you guys think it makes a difference which ears receive which tones. sometimes when i'm using the forks, i like to let them ring out with the fundamental in the left and other in right, then switch. you could do this with headphones too. i wonder if this makes any difference. maybe on the entrainment with different lobes of the brain?
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Sat, April 5, 2008 - 3:59 PMalso,
what software do i need for a mac to create the tones? i'd like something that i can layer with. or i could create them then bring it into garage band for layering.
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Sat, April 5, 2008 - 8:31 PMHiya Jaya,
I've been pondering a lot of these same questions. I don't have those forks, but I've been collecting some really powerful pairs of Tibetan bowls with slight oscillation. I'm also thinking about mixing acoustic and digital soundwaves but not sure if that's going to create beats that are as powerful. I recently got an Mbox2 for my Mac, came with ProTools LE. Anyone familiar with protools and generating specific frequencies? It's got a bit of a learning curve as an upgrade from GarageBand!
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Sun, April 6, 2008 - 7:50 PMProTools doesn't produce sounds on it's own. You'll need a sound source, like a sound card or synth. Once you get a tone recorded it is very easy to manipulate stuff in PT to get desired results with pitch shift and other plug-ins.
Yes it's a steep curve, but I've been very happy for a few yeas now.
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Tue, April 8, 2008 - 8:17 PMSample #1 of the Beta Booster worked well for me. Have any others more like that one?
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Sat, April 12, 2008 - 9:55 AMHey sweet Tom! My friend Rena uses Reactor to create sounds and instruments. It has a modular interface - www.native-instruments.com/index.php
She is also a pro audio engineer on Pro Tools and in the Portland Area. If you would like tips, I suggest contacting her for lessons, or maybe if she can't do that, then she must know others in your area who are masters of pro tools.
www.renamusic.com
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Sat, April 12, 2008 - 9:59 AMi guess i'm kind of answering my own question of earlier. but honestly, i don't know if there are other more simpler software programs to just generate waves. i've never used reactor, but rena makes some amazing music with it and many other programs such as apelton live, pro tools, reason, etc. i remember her once telling me that reactor's the program she uses to create instruments from the analog perspective, not just triggering complex digital instruments in something like your average software synth. -
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Sun, April 13, 2008 - 1:57 PMI've got the sounds already in ProTools - recorded didjeridu and singing bowls, but now I want to explore adjusting the frequencies to create binaural beats and am not quite sure where to start.
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Sun, April 13, 2008 - 11:48 PMwith those tracks in pro tools, you should make another track of a binaural beat and make it subliminal.
there's not much you can do, binaurally, to a didj and singing bowls unless you could adjust the pitch of the bowls and yeha you can do this too with a pitch shifter.
might want to try instruments to emulate and harmonize the binaural aspects of the beat, bua ha ha
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 6:06 PMyes, should be some kind of pitch shift add on for protools. just make a duplicate track, then pitch shift it however many freq degrees off desired for binaural beats. -
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 8:12 PMwaves makes an excellent pitch shifter. I'm in love with it.
I use it all the time.
a client and I just made his soprano sax sound like some low frequency bassy drone. amazing.
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